FC25 First Impressions

[00:00:00] Hello, Footies and while football didn't come home, at least some of us have. Because Foot IN REVIEW is back, we are on our summer holidays but we thought we'd drop in

[00:00:11] to round up the news because there is a lot of it and it's not really to do with FC24, it is FC25 related, we now have a firm release date, lots of new bits and pieces to discuss,

[00:00:24] some good, some bad and some indifferent. My name is Dan Wimbush, otherwise known as Wimby, I am joined on the show today by the foot teddy bear, grandpa Matt Chris and the man with more

[00:00:36] nicknames than a Swiss army knife. It is the king of the north, the Mr FIFA database, it is Ingvi. Gents, welcome back. I just looked at my notes earlier because I was trying

[00:00:49] to write it down. This is the first show I've done since May 14th. So a lot has happened in the last two months. How are you Chris? I'll start with you. Well, I'm now safe to come from under my covers with England not winning the Euro's commiserations

[00:01:05] my friend. I do have an English wife and she was rather disappointed. We did watch, for any Scots people out there, my advice is if you want to watch England in the final, get a Polish friend and go and watch the game in Polish because actually don't

[00:01:19] know what's going on and there's likely to be Polish vodka and that helps as well. So please drink responsibly though. It was a tough evening but the best team won. I never thought England would get that far and unlike the Italy final where England should have

[00:01:34] won that game, this was one where they didn't deserve it. They had a small chance to nick it but they didn't make it and I was in Barcelona anyway so I felt we did come

[00:01:42] home for where I was although thankfully most of the bar was 50-50 so it was okay. Invi my friend, how are you? I'm good thanks. We've had a quite strange summer. We had really nice weather in May

[00:01:56] and after that it's been like a few warm days and a lot of rain so it's more like a tropical forest summer so far here. Yeah, I'm going to say it's swampy here in the south of England at the moment.

[00:02:08] I think the temperatures reached 29 degrees earlier so I'm not sure if this is going to go out as a video version. Again, John is on his holidays so whether this actually gets pushed as a video I don't know but if you that explains

[00:02:19] my red complexion is very warm here but things are heating up. I'll segue into FC 25 because that's what we're here to talk about. That's why we've come out of our little summer hiatus. Gents, lots of news being dropped by EA

[00:02:32] themselves. We saw the rumour mill churning out a few things and it seems like the leakers have got things almost pretty much spot on. We saw the first official pitch notes. Of course we had the trailer release as well or

[00:02:42] the glitz and glamour but of course it was the details that we were very interested in. And of course lots of details around pre-order bonuses and things you can expect. I'm going to start very, very broadly and then we'll

[00:02:53] kind of narrow it down. I mean Chris if there was one thing so far that you ever announced that has pleased you what has it been? The jupe storage. Absolutely. I think that's been well overdue. Someone who's had two 94 rated dupes this past week just sitting there

[00:03:11] waiting for an amazing SPC to come out. I think that's a real step in the right direction. Yeah up to 100 players you're going to be able to store in a separate area and apparently there'll be a quick way for you to put them into

[00:03:22] SPCs as well. So that's very good. I think universally that's going to be very well received. It'd be interesting to see what you can do in terms of is it also going to be untradable? Is it going to be

[00:03:32] tradable storage? Again the details there will be important because again in the past as a trader you were able to go unassigned and store 100 Harry Maguire's to sell later. So I wonder if you'll be able to back and do

[00:03:43] that again. That could have some market implications but Ingvi what about you? What's stood out for you so far? Well of course the jupe storage was nice and I think if I'm not mistaken there were talks about we can do two evolution sets once so that's kind of

[00:03:59] the two things that I've seen that made me a little bit happy. Yeah I mean EA brought it that forward. I mean we're going to touch on footies as well. We should mention as well of course the footies promo

[00:04:08] started tonight as we record this on Friday the 19th of July and they have announced already it's part of this promo you can evo two players at the same time. So for the first time since it was glitched in the early part of the year

[00:04:20] you could finally get more than one done so that is very good. I mean for me it's all the changes to do with rivals and skill based matchmaking and friendlies that really sort of pricked my ears up and made me

[00:04:32] a lot more optimistic for this game. I mean I've got to admit I'm in my usual summer funk where I'm kind of a bit frustrated and at the end of my tether with this game even though I'm still playing it I'm just kind of a bit

[00:04:43] jaded but actually I think overall and that we can't ignore some of the wider problems that are going on with EA sports and FC 24 and of course the very last show I did was called enough is enough and that was coming off the

[00:04:56] back of just more absolute ridiculousness of people getting handed picks and players they don't deserve and just all sorts of just nonsense. So look we can't ignore that and of course the movement to you know try and stop

[00:05:10] people spending fever points all this jazz but all that being said the list of things they've put out so far have all been encouraging at least as far as I'm concerned. So let's do a bit of a deep dive into some of them I'm just going

[00:05:23] to go through them in no particular order. I mean usually this would probably be the first thing we're talking about gents but I mean in V rush this five this 5v5 mode what are your thoughts on it is it something

[00:05:37] that's going to interest you to go into or are you a little bit cautious? From what I've understood I think that's kind of EA removing Volta from the game and just putting rush thing in in the ultimate team. I think if we can

[00:05:53] get some cool rewards I think it would be really fun to play with mates you guys online versus others and if the rewards are good then of course I would probably spend quite a lot of time on it because it should be fun maybe less

[00:06:10] pressure than doing footchamps etc as well just for chill and even get rewards while doing it could be fun so but there are some I think there was this blue card thing you could get in that mode as well I don't think

[00:06:27] you'll get it in the main game but if some kind of cooling down period if you do a bad fall inside the match so I'm a little bit skeptical how that's going to work but it could be fun. I think you know the key detail there it's about

[00:06:44] rewards isn't it because ultimately whilst we try and tell ourselves we're not playing for rewards I mean that's why I mean look how many people are going into moments and things like that and moments is the one for me Chris

[00:06:55] again it brings the alarm bells because EA like to introduce these novelty things into the game and then they just quickly get a band and you think of things like Silver Lounge and stuff as well that we've had in the past all the different rules

[00:07:08] full game modes we've had I think we've had one time all year where what was it Mystery Ball had a cup and otherwise every other game mode's been kind of left behind so I mean it's good I mean I fondly remember FIFA 97

[00:07:21] was it FIFA 96 as well I think with the indoor mode so if it's anything as fun as that I'll be I'll be dropping in but I mean is this something that interests you?

[00:07:31] Well the only thing I'm looking at it says Football Ultimate Team Rush so I mean you'd like to think it has to be like to the ultimate game you know because otherwise

[00:07:40] why are you going to play it's going to go the same way as Volta Volta was the loads of fun to play but you got nothing for it bar you know some crazy looking outfists so unless

[00:07:48] it has an actual physical effect on the game that we play the mode that we play then it's going to fall by the wayside and aim now you try and go into moments as an SPC the moment you have to get

[00:07:57] five stars you can't get into moments it's actually locked out at this point in time certainly is for me so you can't even get the SPC so if it as you say when you're saying about the stuff

[00:08:07] that gets dropped first of all I thought Silver Lounge because you and I really loved going in there it was great you know it was a few games you've got a player especially start the game

[00:08:15] and we're evolutions that might have been actually a real good time to bring these players in so I really hope the EA stick with us and then make it part of the main game you know even if it's a

[00:08:23] weekly reward it would be good fun if it's 3v3 and also if it's 3v3 and you can pick the opponent's three players you know so if we've got six guys you can all play against each other that sounds

[00:08:32] like a good way to go yeah I think it's going to be it's it's a five on five yeah go keep going automatic so yeah it'll be you and up to three mates so we four on four effectively

[00:08:42] so yeah we could get a little little foot in review clan going but again it'll just be whether they incentivize that so whether it is you know win 10 games a week for extra reward or if

[00:08:53] there is even like a mini week in league or something like that I'd love to see them do more stuff I've been saying for ever since I've started hosting this show I want more co-op co-op is the

[00:09:02] best way to play this game sharing those experiences the highs and lows and I know you Jensen especially you Chris you've delved into pro clubs a lot in the past so if we kind of get that

[00:09:12] mixed with the ultimate team mode I think it could be fantastic again it's how much they actually commit to it and whether they incentivize us to play it other things we've already mentioned the Jeep storage I think that's fantastic let's talk about some of the changes to rivals

[00:09:26] and again Envy these are generally things that people have wanted although there's been a lot of debate around it to start with relegation is back however they know this is only going to be for the

[00:09:38] top divisions no real they haven't caveated that for exactly which divisions it's going to be but relegation will be back they're also removing a lot of checkpoints as well so it should be

[00:09:49] quite and quote easier if you are in a bad run of form where you find yourself kind of outmatched you should be able to drop down to the more appropriate division Envy do you support relegation being back or are you worried about sandbaggers

[00:10:04] no I support it because if they continue with better rewards in the high divisions I don't think people want to want to drop too far intentionally because they still want those

[00:10:17] packs and player picks etc so if it's it's going to help if it's like the top two three divisions as well because sometimes you go on a good run and then suddenly oh I'm in division one

[00:10:28] or elite and oh this is too good for me I and then you were stuck until the the new season started but now at least you can if you go on a bad one you get relegated and eventually you will hit

[00:10:38] someone your level again and then start having fun again I guess and I think that's that's a good thing yeah two things kind of tied into this change to rivals one is the fact that we are now

[00:10:49] going to be rewarded for drawing games because they're bringing back it's going to be three points for a win one point for a draw so now it kind of doesn't you know again I mentioned this in other

[00:10:57] shows it felt a lot of the time in rivals you know you'd battle it out and you'd get a three three draw it'd be like well I've literally just wasted 20 25 minutes of my time here and got absolutely

[00:11:06] nothing um and now at least a draw counts so that is good and the other thing that's tied to it is the fact they have changed the skill based matchmaking in friendlies that is gone

[00:11:16] they are now saying it's going to be form-based matchmaking now the notes are a little ambiguous I know me and you had a little conversation about this because the notes kind of said

[00:11:25] you know it'll based on your run of it says your wins and your losses and I was a bit unsure does that mean a kind of they're going to match you based on your overall friendlies record or is

[00:11:35] this gonna as my light nearly falls down on me um I have bug attacks lights all sorts of carnage for me on this show or is it just going to be literally based on the fact of okay

[00:11:46] you've lost five in a row we're going to match you with someone who's lost five in a row I mean you kind of read it as the latter yeah that's how I kind of understood but enough

[00:11:56] we haven't seen anything official so we don't know until the game is out but uh I don't think it's an overall thing uh it's just form based on a certain amount of x matches the last five ten twenty I don't know but uh I don't think they would

[00:12:15] do anything bigger than that but if you have 20 losses in a row then it would be nice to meet someone else struggling as well so yeah I know the I know the chief John raised the point

[00:12:29] of okay well is this actually going to help things or is someone just going to go quickly lose five or six games in a row to then get an easier set of games to follow that I mean Chris

[00:12:40] again all these measures should stop the whole sound bagging thing because again now there is no incentive to be in a lower division for rivals because it's not going to affect your family matchmaking I mean what do you make to the overall changes in both rivals and friendlies

[00:12:53] well I think bringing the points back is a great idea as you say then the draws actually matter relegation yeah agree with that uh I think the checkpoints could be a bit of an issue because

[00:13:03] you could find yourself stuck in a division for quite a period of time because you know certainly have never reached a leader reached division one so I imagine that's where I'll get roughly good poops that's the highest I've done but I think you know I think you've hit

[00:13:16] a leap am I right saying that Dan you've been an elite yes but that step from the last checkpoint to get to elite I think is quite a big jump isn't it and it can get frustrating so I can see

[00:13:25] some frustrations there um for me the only thing I'd like to say is that and I've not mentioned it as hopefully that they're going to bring the points back let's just do a wee qualifiers

[00:13:33] then for a week in league because that's just a set of games that we could really do without to be honest with you um and it helps people who don't always get to week in league and if it makes

[00:13:41] the week in league a little bit easier for people why not but my concern is looking at it in terms of the friendly side of it I think friendly should just be a wild west you just get matched up

[00:13:51] whoever I don't really see the point of friendlies being skill based or records let's just make it wild west just potluck roulette you might get a pro you might get a guy five divisions below you whatever but that's for me would be a lot better

[00:14:05] yeah I think I'm with you on that one I think I've said in the past I think it was FIFA 22 might have been the last one maybe 23 and I was going through icon swats and things like that but but

[00:14:15] I come at it maybe from being a good player there are probably and I'm not being arrogant here I think I'd put myself probably what top 20 percent of players I reach elite so therefore on average

[00:14:26] four times out of five I'm going to be facing someone weaker than me if it was totally open whereas if I was maybe someone new to the game or struggling in that kind of bottom 20 percent

[00:14:37] then four out of five friendlies if it was a wild west I was going to be facing someone better so I appreciate very much that it's all a matter of perspective but I think that

[00:14:45] this is better than it was put it this way because friendlies had got to the point where they were sweatier if not as you know as rivals and it shouldn't have been the situation

[00:14:55] where footchamps was the only place where you could guarantee or not even guarantee you had a chance to face someone at a slightly different skill level to you so I'm glad that they've opened

[00:15:05] but this doesn't work back up I would say when this doesn't stop you from getting the high the guys so if you're in say division 10 okay and you're maybe a division nine player

[00:15:16] and you win six games in a row you could be meeting someone who's going through a bad run an elite who's you know lost six games of that so it's it could be you know I mean I

[00:15:27] don't really see how they've stopped how this reward thing really works it's a bizarre way to do it maybe there should have been a tolerance of two or three divisions maybe that should have

[00:15:36] been the easiest way to do it but you know as you say friendlies should be friendlies and for me it should be the fact is it's just a bit a wild west yeah I can and again I completely

[00:15:46] understand both sides of it and I just think this is better than what we had I don't know the proof will be in the pudding in terms of are we all getting frustrated or not

[00:15:55] we'll find out in two months time because you know burying the lead here the new game is coming out I should say on the 20th of September if you pre-order or you have EA play you'll get early

[00:16:06] access as well so the 20th of September so two months tomorrow as we record this you know the order 66 will go out for FC 24 and a million copies will be silenced

[00:16:20] once to get our Star Wars fix in for this show other things to talk about things that I don't think anyone's going to complain about contracts are gone they go to the the resting place alongside

[00:16:32] things like fitness items training items and all sorts of fun things that we've I say fun we've had in the past pack fillers it'll just be interesting to see what they put in packs now

[00:16:42] to replace contracts because you're often getting sort of five or six contracts in packs so be interested to see what they do to replace those evolutions are being enhanced they're talking about

[00:16:54] as in we mentioned being able to evo more than one player at once although that's still not officially confirmed they're also talking about expanding the parameters for certain evolutions of course lots of us throughout the year found that we had we were evo blocked because one stat was

[00:17:09] 1.2 high or they had one play style too much or they weren't a certain position so they've kind of realized that and they're going to make it a little bit more accessible for a wider group

[00:17:19] of players I think that is all good I don't think anybody will complain too much about that one let's get into some of the gameplay changes and they've been a bit light Chris so far in the

[00:17:31] actual gameplay changes but the big thing for me and it's one of my massive bug bears is since I've been back in this game Keeper movement it's been nerfed now you can only

[00:17:42] move a couple of steps either way and there's going to be a cooldown on it Chris good thing for you or again is it a case of well no if you were good at keeping movement fair play I think it was a bit

[00:17:53] OP it was getting to the stage it was becoming especially with the keepers now who are getting high rated ones so for me it was a bit OP but then again it is actually fairly easy to beat

[00:18:03] Keeper movement because when the guy moves it most people go to the far post stick it in the near post and so once you started to learn that you had it up against a bit it's probably the only

[00:18:12] thing I'd say is that keepers have been a bit left out this year I don't know if you agree Ingvi there's no being many promotions with them and they felt that they got a little bit behind

[00:18:22] the cover like to see if they're going to do that going to nerf the Keeper movement well let's least have a keeper in every single promo I agree and I from what I've seen the

[00:18:35] goalkeepers will also get the playstyle plus now on the on EA FC 25 which I think is nice so hopefully that will kind of actually make them better when they get a promo card because some

[00:18:49] of them got a promo card and they still felt quite bad and you know tinfoil Ingvi thought it was because of the reactions thing so hopefully they you would actually notice the goalkeeper

[00:19:03] being a lot better than their non-inform card that would be that would be nice yeah it'd be nice for something like like speedy rusher or some of that for a goalkeeper that's particularly quick at

[00:19:12] rushing out or leg save plus for like a nickpope or something like that or crazy yeah finesse denier crazy yeah I saw there's there was some pushing save out type of playstyle I think so

[00:19:30] the goalkeepers will push the ball further away when they make saves so they won't be kind of easy tap-ins for the attackers I don't know how that's going to work if it's going to work but it's a

[00:19:41] good idea at least so I think those goalkeepers will be desired the ones that get actually pushed the ball far away when they make a save and don't hold the ball yeah I mean we've come

[00:19:52] with enough ideas in 45 seconds so there's so much they can do with it so yeah I'll be absolutely as part of the goalkeepers union as well I'd be more than happy to see goalkeepers

[00:19:59] getting a bit more love in this game um but yeah so keep movement again we'll see how it's actually implemented how much for difference it makes but for me that's a good thing um lots of

[00:20:09] talks around corner kicks being particularly OP this year not so much talk about that but there is a noticeable change with corner kicks and Chris this is something that's always annoyed me you're

[00:20:19] swinging in a perfect corner and who is at the far post five foot two debonia um all that's exactly you will now be able to change this because you'll be able to give corner

[00:20:31] assignments so you'll be able to set which player goes I think there's three slots I think it's going to be I think something like centre spot back post and near post so you will just be able

[00:20:40] to say okay I want van dyke there I want peter crouch or whoever I don't want my my five foot one attacking cam or something like that so again I don't think anyone's going to be

[00:20:51] particularly concerned about that whether this does lead to potential abuse of corners and things like that will always be in the back of people's minds especially from this year but again I think

[00:21:06] overall for the vast majority of players I think the bigger concern was I said not even being able to pick who's where for corners I would just say Andy watched though the the World Cup there

[00:21:17] this weekend certainly I watched it and Vecors you know these are pro players these guys can play you know Vecors when you get a corner your Vecors in your team it was almost an automatic goal

[00:21:28] even the commentators were saying how do you stop this from happening so I think if you start to find that abuse he's got to quickly step in there and allow at least the defenders an

[00:21:37] opportunity to be able to do I see that keeping movement is not restricted when it comes to corners but if you have van dyke if you're looking up to pack van dyke and then as you say

[00:21:47] you know you've got about the near post and he's swinging in corners and flicking them on that could be a deadly way to score and it might be a frustration the opposite way

[00:21:55] but I think that might get tweaked over time anyway. I mean Angvi it's broadening out a little bit I saw I've seen both sides of this argument on amongst the big streams this week because

[00:22:06] Nick run the foot market part a big video talking about how EA haven't really addressed some of the big issues like like and he specifically mentioned corner kick abuse and I saw Nepp kind of counter with being like well look the amount of people that know how to

[00:22:19] properly abuse set pieces is so small that EA are never going to really dial in on it was set piece abuse too much this year or again was it something that was only really exploited by a handful?

[00:22:34] For me and my experience it's just a handful but once you face that we're good at it they pretty much score with every corner so I knew I would rather see the penalty and try to save it

[00:22:46] see the corner in some of the matches so what I fear about this is that you can customize too much you can assign runs etc etc and then there will be somebody that finds something that will work every time and everybody's going to start copying that and there's

[00:23:03] not going to be any ways to stop it but if it's just to assign I want this player first post back post and one in the middle at least those and I want these other players in

[00:23:14] the box and the other ones outside that's fine but if you can assign runs etc etc I know in early days of Ultimate Team you could quite customize a lot of corner kick routines

[00:23:28] which was fun at the time but now it spreads so fast it's going to be exploited and meta meta this is how you score on corner every time meta videos is northwest everywhere on the internet so

[00:23:44] that could be a little bit boring so it depends on how far EA is going to kind of let us allow it to do things. Well I'm glad you mentioned sharing and meta meta because this is one of the other

[00:23:55] features that Nick talked about that he was very concerned about so apparently now when you create a set of custom tactics you're going to be able to generate a unique code for them

[00:24:06] QR code yeah a QR code so yeah if ENVY builds a really great 442 it'll just be able to and turns out it's super OP or whatever it'll just be able to create a code and it'll be able to share it

[00:24:16] with the entire world and instead of us you know having to sit there through a tactics video you know looking at all the different instructions things like that you'll just be able to scan

[00:24:25] the QR code or get the unique number identify whatever it turns out to be and boom those tactics from your game and Nick was very concerned because he's like at the moment yeah people will go out and seek out meta tactics but for a lot of people

[00:24:38] humans are just lazy you know they don't want to go through same through a 30 minute tactics video to copy everything out but if it's a case of oh just scan boom I'll try this I mean Chris there's a lot of concern that you know we'll

[00:24:51] suddenly just see everybody running tactics 696969. I mean the thing is I would say is you know we've got a master I call him the Field Marshal of Formations and in art who does 45 minutes to an hour video putting tactics out there on a QR code great

[00:25:08] I load it up but actually don't know how to play the game that's all I'd say about that so you know if M.D. is interested the discord is free just look us up on the discord.com.com

[00:25:17] review so it's free to join and art's always going to post stuff in there first and foremost and learning the OP information is great putting in great but actually need to know how

[00:25:28] to play it you know what is the passing movements to get goals etc so guys like art they'll I think they'll be fine and I think it's quite a good thing actually you can do these chords and put

[00:25:38] them in anything makes it a little bit easier to access I don't think anything's really OP I've played 4, 2, 3, 1 all season I've not really played anything else and that's been my go to and I've done quite well with them. Yeah but you speak about OP, Ingvi and we're talking

[00:25:52] about formations the strong rumour again from these leagues who seem to be getting almost everything right is that if you've been frustrated facing 4, 3, 2, 1 this year the good news for you is that that formation is apparently not in the game it's being taken out I had mixed

[00:26:09] thoughts on this Ingvi my one thought was okay well why are they actually getting rid of formations is that not just basically admitting that you can't stop it or is this as John was saying

[00:26:20] in the discord that well it's not really a formation anyone plays in real life so no one's going to miss it anyway I think it's been a problem and it's probably easier to just remove the formation

[00:26:32] than trying to program some kind of fix that will allow the same same things but not being as powerful so I think that is the reason why it's been removed but I also heard some rumours saying

[00:26:44] that it's going to be replaced with a cam type of version so instead of center forward it's going to be two cams next to the striker so I don't know if it's going to completely be gone

[00:26:57] but it might not work as well as as the current one does so we'll see that seems more like the the Christmas tree formation 4, 3, 2, 1 if they had with two cams in there but you mentioned center forwards apparently center forwards are actually not even going

[00:27:10] to be in the game apparently the CF role as well as the left wing back and right wing back positions are gone again that is still just a strong leak rather than an official confirmation

[00:27:20] EA have said they're going to do a deep dive into gameplay talking about things like this FCIQ tactic system hypermotion 75 million whatever they're at now and all that that jazz talking about however many new animations and what they strapped to a load of players to you know

[00:27:39] all of that stuff with the red and the blue dummies all of that will be coming in the next couple of weeks so stay tuned for that one but gents I mean anything else

[00:27:49] in terms of what we've seen in terms of that initial pitch notes that you wanted to bring up Chris I just wanted to mention that there's two versions of the game and I'll quickly tell our

[00:27:58] listeners what you get so there is the standard edition and these are British prices so for 60 pounds you get the standard game and then for another 30 pounds and for 90 pounds at the moment you're getting the ultimate edition and I'll just focus on that so you get seven days

[00:28:11] early access with that 4600 FC points which roughly works out about 27 pounds you can actually buy that in a bundle I think so that's a player evolution slot early access to rush awards football alternate team loan icon an ambassador loan item but one of the things that's interesting

[00:28:30] is you get a hero player and I think I'm right in saying that you get two hero well two versions of the hero player is that right September and November you get one version when the game is

[00:28:43] out and when they're available and then later in the game you get an upgraded version of the same car so if you packed a really bad one your luck is kind of not so good when the next one comes so

[00:28:55] that's a little bit of a bummer if you get a horrible one that's bad if you get a great one then it's going to be awesome to know that you're going to get the super good car to later on

[00:29:05] yeah so yeah there's a luck of the draw again I guess I mean I can't wait for my best campus and juiced up campus exactly or social yeah it's always for me I mean I think I think that's just just I don't

[00:29:17] know how these prices they do seem expensive but then again I'm an old man but it does seem a little bit pricey 90 pound for a game but I think that's kind of standard these days isn't it

[00:29:26] I think any game I see at the moment out big one like that just yeah yeah sorry go no I'm just going to see um what is it kind of feeling that you guys have in terms of the value for money for the ultimate

[00:29:39] edition or do you really just stick with the standard and I think it's very it's very expensive the ultimate edition uh I normally never get it it's nice with the points of course but uh

[00:29:50] I can't say that I get anything super good from from those player hero packs or whatever so in our way for me it's like almost 30 pounds more expensive than it was last this year this version so uh I don't think I will be buying the ultimate edition because

[00:30:16] for me too much actually yeah I mean what is what is 4600 points to buy is it about 20 pounds well I've had a quick look uh and I could find a 5900 bundle for 32 pounds so when I

[00:30:32] kind of did a quick math it was around about 26 27 pounds so you are kind of getting that if you're going to put 30 pounds of the FIFA points yeah we may as well get this ultimate edition

[00:30:41] because you are going to get the hero uh it will you will probably get mass disappointment when you actually get the hero come out there um very really do you see this one but I think the seven days

[00:30:52] early access is always a good one and we will do shows telling people how you should use your seven days for the best possible rewards yeah and that's exactly what I was going to say I think

[00:31:04] if you are someone that was planning to put on FC points and look again we say as a podcast it's totally up to everybody but we very much stress that through a mass experience of our

[00:31:14] disco group you do not need to spend FC points to be successful at this game so but look if you want to spend that do it as Chris says I think if you were going to do it anyway it just makes

[00:31:23] sense to get the ultimate edition and that's the other thing it's the early access now again they're talking about the fact that EA playing members get a section of early access I don't know

[00:31:32] how many hours that will get you um in the past it's been something like 10 is it English that's 10 hours I don't know if they've officially confirmed that yet um but yeah just for that

[00:31:42] week early access I think that's where I inevitably cave because I want to play the game as soon as it's out I don't want to wait seven days and yeah it's okay it's okay value that's that's

[00:31:58] that's what I will say I think we can get into a wider philosophical um debate about whether EA should in fact just be charging for this base game if I mean I've had this get I bought

[00:32:10] this game now for the last four years and I don't think I played a single minute of a mode outside of Ultimate Team so why am I paying you know all that money for stand edition just to play one

[00:32:23] game mode um especially when very very few games now you know things like we haven't really talked about it it's on the rumor mill that we're going to have a premium season pass um to go along

[00:32:35] with your standard so how much that will cost how many coins it'll cost how many FC points we don't know but again the amount of monetization that EA puts on this game to still be asking

[00:32:47] you to fork out even just for the standard edition you know 55 or 60 quid whatever it is yeah I'm I don't love it but again goes back to this whole thing we said time and time again

[00:32:58] until this competition they're not going to change you're not going to kill the golden goose but it's still laying eggs so um EA will continue to charge for the game while they can do um

[00:33:07] Invy just going back to you was there anything else from the pitch notes or the pre-ordering details or the trailer or anything else that you wanted to bring up for we we go back to our

[00:33:16] current game a few things uh if you pre-order you also get uh one the grades of the game icons in the pack so that's a bonus for for the current game so if you cave in now then at least you could

[00:33:31] get a usable card to use now of course and I also kind of read some things which worries me a bit you have the control for purpose files so you can just pull a player down and

[00:33:49] get a booking so if you're through on goal you can score the winner the guy is probably going to just pull you down take a yellow and somebody's gonna abuse that probably quit as well at the draw

[00:34:02] and I'm also worried about the new animation type of thing keepers bumping into gold posts there's gonna be rage about those things happening we all know there are bugs in the game in the

[00:34:19] beginning and usually as the game goes on as well when they add new animations and stuff and I don't know why why do you want to add to keeper bumping into posts and makes even more

[00:34:30] crazy things happening with the goalkeepers uh we don't need it we don't want it I don't think we've asked for it I've not seen anyone ask for it so it's probably very fun to watch

[00:34:41] but when you're playing and then suddenly your goalkeeper trips in the goalpost and you lose to an easy goal that's not going to be very fun so yeah that's a little bit annoying for me at least

[00:34:57] yeah I mean both of those things again the professional foul thing is going to drive you nuts I mean you can kind of already do that can't you though I mean you can just

[00:35:06] chop people down from behind if they were through on goal you can't pull them but if you slight tackle you might miss but this is like seems like kind of if you are within reach

[00:35:15] you're guaranteed to be able to pull the player down if you if you slight tackle you probably might miss or just barely hit them and they still can continue to run through

[00:35:23] what's goal but this is like for what I've seen it's like guaranteed you're gonna be able to stop the guy getting through on goal yeah and again did anybody ask for it was anyone saying

[00:35:34] I really wish I could pull someone down when they're through on goal no any EA have removed toxic celebrations it's like the shush and dab and things but now they're adding most toxic thing ever

[00:35:47] by pulling people down taking a yellow so people can just subfire players out that have five yellow cards in the end of the match to every time you throw a goal just pull you down

[00:35:56] and then that's a way to see out matches as well so yeah yeah and you mentioned toxicity unfortunately you're still not going to get the win if someone quits a draw so it's not being done

[00:36:10] again the reasoning why again this is not EA's reasoning this is well I don't know whether they have communicated this in the pasting V but the basic thing is is that historically when

[00:36:20] you did get a win when people were quitting at draws there were ways that people were forcing disconnects on other people at nil nil and just piling up wins very very quickly

[00:36:31] and allegedly that is why EA will not be putting it back in is because they are just wary of the abuse of that system how many how many how many percent do you think abuse that I agree point

[00:36:43] seven I remember that number so yeah I mean I was one of them yes so yeah so zero seven percent club so well I couldn't say that I've placed that much when it when you have many years ago if you

[00:37:02] someone quit and you got a three-nil win great at least you didn't waste your time you gotta win and I can't remember that many abuse that a crazy amount of time either so and I didn't read

[00:37:14] many doing it so yeah yeah I think we all want it in the game I think it needs to be in the game I don't understand why it's not I mean I understand that argument from EA but oh so I think

[00:37:27] like you said in V that would be abused by so few that for the wider community and just the general happiness and stuff on our game just just bring it in EA but again ultimately it's not in EA's

[00:37:39] interest to do so because again if you you have to go and play more games you have to get more frustrated you're going to the store so all of that fun stuff but look

[00:37:49] plenty more to come on the FC 25 front over the next few weeks they're going to be doing deep dives into lots different areas we will be popping up with shows intermittently again to discuss key

[00:37:58] things when big patch notes and things come out as well so we will get into all of that but look we still got two months left of FC 25 which if you were talking about the overall game I mean

[00:38:08] it's what 15% of the game cycle still left to go and it is probably one of the best times of the year this is the time when everybody is a winner everybody gets a god team this is

[00:38:18] footies Chris is released tonight again we've got a footies team in packs we've got lots of players behind objectives to unlock as well again I mentioned at the top of the show multiple evos

[00:38:30] there's a couple of great looking evos been released that will you know encompass just about almost anybody that was released pre-team of the season and lots of other bits and pieces in it I mean your initial thoughts on footies and anything you're particularly excited about

[00:38:48] to say Chris or did you say I did say I did say Chris but you know it's just thinking I find it strange name ours in 99 rated name are but I just I just find it very same me

[00:39:00] let's be honest I just find it extremely same me that's that's the problem for me it's the same players over and over again 99 rated name are I get it I mean I'm not sure he's such a

[00:39:10] big name these days has he not been injured just recently in there yeah he's been injured I did the caca icon SPC something because every pack you're open at the moment you're getting loads

[00:39:22] and loads of dupe extra special players so I've done that for me it's like the last week of school for those guys who come from the UK you get to bring your games in and it's just is a bit of

[00:39:33] fun as Andy listened to the last show it's a time to practice green time shooting or a skill move because really the honest truth is it does no matter just have a bit of fun guys

[00:39:45] I only think it's let me down at the moment with the game and not really no rated to footies and actually I feel like Gareth Southgate the way I'm playing at the moment when you come up these guys

[00:39:53] you know 100 deaths automatic offside you're having to keep the ball my team's totally stacked but the way we're playing at the moment is I do feel like Gareth the sum of my team's parts

[00:40:03] is deaf in those is what the team's playing like and for me that's something that 25 needs to address is the high pressure fair enough my friend fair enough I am in the thoughts on footies

[00:40:19] well at least now it's fun to open packs you get the promo card a lot of the packs you open even in the player picks the 81 plus has been horrible but I've seen promo cards now quite a few

[00:40:32] of them just by doing some play so I think you can kind of grind a lot of spc's coming just by doing exchanges and player picks so I like to look off the kaka card I think I will do that one I

[00:40:44] also like the look of the moderate card because it's been very popular all year after the Champions League card came out so a very usable player for months that card and now 97 rated looks really

[00:40:58] good with the first skill with first a week foot so some great playstyle plus as well so that that's a little bit fun for me now enough I just try lots of players mix up the teams try new stuff have fun

[00:41:14] and this like now now is the time you just collect cards I guess that I'd like that as well it's you don't have to play much but you have can do lots of panini for what it's worth so I find

[00:41:28] that fun as well there are lots of objectives to do and there's zero cards there's icons yeah things to do you can do two evolutions at a time as well so you can maybe uh evolutionize your

[00:41:44] uh reading stars now I guess then yeah finally however I'm and this is again something they really need to look at for next year again I almost don't want to something they fit in

[00:41:55] some of these evos but it's like well is this the right evo for them are in two days time are they going to release one that's like I can put like Charlie Savage he's a central defensive

[00:42:03] with fielder into this one they're released tonight but the stats don't really help a cdm and the playstyle so i'm like aren't they going to release one are they not um but yeah I mean

[00:42:12] I'm excited I've just um I put my femeus ease into the one they released in the warm-up so he's up to 94 rated now like 98 pace 98 passing I still only got three star week foot but

[00:42:25] again I'm putting it with my team because like you said it's time to have fun try new players out and look if you're new to the game or you've been away for a while and you're thinking no I want

[00:42:33] to pick it up again do it because look you can buy a 95 rated kalulu who's got block plus anticipate plus slice tackle plus an intercept plus for 90k um there has never been a better time and

[00:42:47] if you've been frustrated if you're like well I pulled nothing over team of the season I didn't get any good red picks you're gonna just stumble upon players that are better than almost anybody in the

[00:42:57] game um so it's a good time and as Chris said practice techniques practice skill moves nothing matters there's there seems like a cup out um again loads of objectives to do evos to do that

[00:43:07] you cannot say that he hasn't given us plenty to do um I will end the show though with a rant EA didn't time this very well the web app was effectively broken and nothing to do before anybody

[00:43:20] jumps their defense saying oh it's IT chaos everywhere across the world uh no this was broken before then um the companion that was basically unusable for a day and a half uh if every time

[00:43:31] you open to pack it kicked you out uh and that was if you could log in at all this is widespread reported it was picked up by people at the daily mirror and other things like that

[00:43:39] EA didn't even respond to it on their direct communications but Inge you've got good news for those people who have been suffering it has been fixed so now you can use your web app and

[00:43:49] companion app as normal you can open packs you can do sbcs and uh grind towards your uh dream team yep the final grind is upon us but look I'm gonna call time on the show there but

[00:44:04] I mean Chris was there anything for you to add before we go just to see look if you're listening to show please don't be toxic I played someone last night who what friend requests me

[00:44:13] spammed her friend request me then I blocked him he then spam me on his second account only because I played as I say I play like Garret of Sick Gaze but I had no choice he played a hundred

[00:44:22] death and was playing automatic so please be nice to each other that's a fun time schools out as they say indeed well wise words my friend Inge anything for me yourself just have fun uh if if things go against you just it's gonna happen now sometimes it's fun

[00:44:40] sometimes you're just gonna struggle sometimes you face better players but if you're not having fun turn off take a break and just uh go outside do something else and come back and try again

[00:44:49] there's uh nothing more important in life than having a good time with your friends and family enjoy that game is just an extra kind of time waste I guess now it's summer so don't take

[00:45:04] things too serious exactly that and again very wise words from the both of you look again if you're interested in improving your game things like that of course footcosia.com is always available

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[00:45:55] you know how i've been missing the show again we've all been trying to recharge our batteries because it you know it's coming up thick and fast as you know with these pitch notes and stuff it

[00:46:05] suddenly becomes very real i said two months tomorrow we'll be opening those packs and getting those that lusting over the 82 rated gold mendy um look oh everybody has a fantastic

[00:46:19] time i hope everyone is enjoying the summer i hope everyone had a good euros and there's only one thing of course for us left to do chris drop it eng v drop it we are going to drop it take care everybody drop it

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