FIR SHORTS: TOTW 3 + Chris vs John

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, FUTIS and welcome back to another episode of FUT IN REVIEW SHORTS.

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Today is Wednesday October 2nd and we got a new team of the week to discuss.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We get another loan as we see and evolutions look like they are postponed until they are

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: properly fixed.

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, my dear friends want to discuss Wicked League and Qualifications.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: All that in the next 15 minutes or so.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is John and I am joined by the FUT IN REVIEW TETTIBEER appearing on his first

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: FUT IN REVIEW SHORTS.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a little bit too much F for me in one sentence.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello Chris.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi John, how are you?

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm quite well now mate.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Just watched a final match in the Champions League and I am absolutely

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: beat but happy.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Good stuff mate.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad it's a short episode today because after Dortmund's performance last night I've

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: been drinking a lot of 7-up.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: 7-up?

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, could have been worse actually but then let's not go there.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not go there.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's all for this Chris.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you like the Champions League phone?

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we don't know, and it's fine.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually getting used to it now.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the thing when I first seen it I was like this is a nightmare

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but now you're getting used to it.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think what's about nine points we'll see through the record and the super

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: computer has done the calculation so Firenord's worked just another two wins

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and that should be them seeing them through the next round shouldn't it?

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think 11 is safety so I'll hope for 11 but three points added to your own.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say a good one for us.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah a lot of sexy games, you know a lot of sexy games are sexy games tonight

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and there was a sexy couple of sexy games last night as well so.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely I quite like it but I know I'm usually

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the firsts that like new things.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that in a moment as well.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like Chris in this show we talked the content that got released.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Shall we talk the content that got released yesterday,

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: it's October 1st?

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah let's do that.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna 83, 82 times 3 I think?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and that's it.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That was like quite one.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That definitely was a good one.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um content felt a bit more can I say me, or?

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So far after release I think so.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the thing is we've come from 99 rated players as I said to think on

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Friday's shows just need to get a head round that we're back at a new game.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The game looks and feels very similar.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think last year's game was a big jump, big change wasn't it from the previous version

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: would be an FC.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: This FC 25 looks very similar to FC 24 and all this new features Rush etc

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think that's maybe made us not realize that it's a brand new game

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's why when we're looking at the team of the week we might be going a little bit hard on it.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Nah nah we'll take care.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: The 82 plus strip oak rate well my advice would just do it, try it now because

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I you never know what you're gonna pack.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Some gold players are still very expensive even some 82 rated

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you want to gamble it's before the first week league anyway so

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: just go for it right?

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah for sure and I mean even you know

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a content out tonight for a loan card you might do that one it's not super expensive really.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about that one because

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I said this week whenever the loan came out the first loan that was I think the hero loan

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I said don't do it it's not worth it.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot of comments about that saying

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know you can say it's not worth it but actually if you want to get qualified

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: cards like this might actually be really useful like

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I didn't really I didn't actually think about that is that your take as well?

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I just I had one game to win tonight to actually get into division five finally get out

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of division six and I used all my loans so Berlingham was there and it made a difference to my team

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: managed to sneak it to one in the end so yeah if you've got loan players

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: now's ideal time to use it because hopefully in a few months time we're going to be

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: washed with promo cards and these these loan cards are going to be obsolete.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That is also fair point but I think still think 13,000 or 14,000 coins for a loan icon it doesn't feel

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: especially good for I still can't recommend it but let's just put it in there

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a reason you could do it you could consider it.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah what about you sorry go ahead.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No I'm just going to say you know 13,000 if you pull one of the bangers you're

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely laughing the only thing that disappoints me is if you get a loan card

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and say you get the magical Ronaldo card or Ronaldinho and you go in there at this stage of

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: game people might quit on you when they see that card so that's the problem.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You lost a loan.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you lost a loan there you don't mean that so just I would maybe wait if you're in weekend

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: league with that one that's the time to use it because you're hoping if people won't quit

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: out the game.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: No it's always a risk we also got the third RTTK challenge about 5k to do so.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: 5k for a mega pack definitely must do that one 100% do that one good luck hope you get something

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've done the hybrid leagues hybrid nations got the rare mega pack and got absolutely zero so far so

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't got anything from it either I've got a pretty good team with all the players most of

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the players are bought.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean I think you're hoping for just a little bit of luck I think the thing is though

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: we always say if you get that 86 flying player or even a rafinha 84 rated

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: you know that can make a difference to your team but a pace.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely let's do the RTTK challenge recommendation is just to do them and that means

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: we're through all content well we did get this night when I woke up in the middle of

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the night Chris thinking about you of course I suddenly realized there was a one coin

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: coin and a 15 000 going back in store but that was early.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean a demon note was you know in our packs wasn't it yeah again I didn't see it I just

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: seen it on x and someone had put that they didn't have enough coins to actually do that pack

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's zero coins so yeah so if you're in there you haven't noticed that it's in under

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's my pack section which was obsolete for most of last year when it first came out

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a couple of packs near that you would consider doing.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's basically the packs they recommend they said they made it specially for you

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: but honestly it's just for everyone.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and last year I think I did the first pack there was two packs came out I did the first one

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I think that went just lay there till the end of the game it's probably still sitting

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: if I was to load the game up.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it wasn't too big of a thing.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's dive into the team of the week team of the week number are we already in number three

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: we're already in number three man.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Time flies when you're are having fun.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Couple of players which are really expensive coming out of the gates

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Martinis do you want to tell something about Martinis?

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Martinis he is always look at the week foot so 4-4 he's 4-4.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Decent looking card he's got roles which John could tell me is a false nine which I find

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit surprising I'm not sure he is that type of player in real life but

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the thing about that one is it's 292,000 coins it's dropped we first came on in the show

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: 300,000 but then if you were to look at what his gold card costs I think it's a lot cheaper

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that one. I actually have his gold card I was lucky enough to pack him on tradeable

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's under 50,000 so at this stage of the game with these cards only being like a plus one upgrade

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: you maybe wouldn't consider it I don't see too much in that 90 rated striker to go

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: do you know what he's a must-do.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Good decent shooting at 89 in terms of the face stats

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: is there anything there John from a coach's point of view that you think yourself

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's a must-do.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No I think we're talking about Martinez for a second I think the finish shot

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: plus on him with the power shot and the technical dribbling it's like

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: really cool card but at 100% agree with you a white paid 290,000 for an inform that's just

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: marginally like really marginally better than the 89 rated card who is about 50k

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: on the current market so honestly if you're playing a Serie A team he's one of the best

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: strikers you can get but I'd go for an inform unless you pack him of course that's also

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I mean a card that you pointed out to me is the Stanway card

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: she plays in for Bayern Munich and the ladies Bundesliga 37,000 she's 3-3

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: she's had a decent boost to her pace the only thing that concerns me a little bit about her

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: she's 5-4 in the middle of the park so she has a CDM

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: role wise John with decent roles she's deep line playmaker holding plus plus

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah there aren't too many holding plus plus players actually in the game

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's one of the reasons she's to that for me

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of course last year she was also pretty good but we talk about the good game cards and I

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: think I said it on one of the shows this week but honestly we do so much show so many shows now

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: as I'm confused when I exactly said it so if you think I'm wrong there go to foot review slash

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: foot review dot com slash wrong but I said there are an insane amount of midfield

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: specials coming out that are almost 80 rated on every single stat which is very early if we

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about power curve and it really sort of stands out and this is another example I mean

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: sure defending a 79 and physique 78 but honestly as center defense midfield with 88 dribbling if

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you look at the dribbling stats she gets 90 dribbling she's got low composure but else

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: those are some insane stats on her card and I sure Jason Strong that I mean that's definitely

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: true but holding plus plus on the card I mean she does look really cool it's an interesting

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: cartoon for me to see and I think there are plenty of cards now coming out that hit the right stats

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: hit the right play styles but are overlooked because they aren't considered meta yet

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: for example I think Harry Kane is another one of those cards which isn't fast

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but he's got the finesse plus insane finishing for this time of the year in the game definitely

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: we're checking cards like that so I'd recommend just clicking a little bit further and checking

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and looking at how a card could fit you yeah but what do you think about the Dutch speedster

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: well that's the battle of center backs isn't it you've got two center backs there and

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Eddard Milital and you've got Van de Ven there as well the Van de Ven is coming at

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: 320,000 coins at this point and Eddard Milital he's coming at 380,000

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: so not a huge difference in terms of coin value but the Van de Ven is 84 rated center back had

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: a great game against Man United I'm not upset somewhere Man United supporting friends on the

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: discord and the Patreon as well he looks really good John I mean I think the only thing is his

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you know his agility and balance is that a fair representation of this player because he is a

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: speedster well the weird thing about this card if you compare it to real life still all

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: sculls for his non-informal card it's 82 acceleration with what did you see that sprint

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that's not only top speed that made him be fast it's also his acceleration which is not so I

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: think this is actually a worse representation of the real life player than it actually is and I

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: still think he's very good as center defender yeah a lengthy player with this speed all the

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: rights and defenders stop like rolls on him yeah this card might be one of those cards when like

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: ah he's getting really annoying now it's just lucky or unlucky depends how you look on it

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that he doesn't have any place to help us yet six foot four John so six foot four so he's a big guy

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: big tall and 84 rated so do you buy that card and it's a lot of coins to invest at this stage

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: of the game but move one you want to keep your eye on because if an evolution comes out for a

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: center back and he's 84 rated I know he's super super quick but maybe there could be a chance to

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: boost some other stats in there again the difference between the non-informal

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: inform isn't huge plus one on most stats right the non-informal is an 82 rated 60 000 coins 62 currently

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: again I would not buy any of these informs necessarily if you pack them that's cool if

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you're looking at one of those players the non-informal are probably the best buy to do

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in my honest opinion I think if he was like 50k or 80k more like double the price something

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you can say okay that makes sense but like four times the price almost or three and a half

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: times the price I'd stay away from buying these cards nevertheless it's a damn good card right yeah

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: for sure definitely for sure I mean there is one cheap beast in this team which we both

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: well super jack butland he is absolutely a gorgeous man there there is we fashion

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: cicada as well X rangers players so it's very X rangers heavy or Rangers player heavy as

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the player I'm looking at was a David Jonathan David I think his name is

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: league and player the thing it stands out for me John is a five star week foot yep

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and he stats as well look like they're pretty much on the right place you know if Ingby was here

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: he might say his agility and his balance is a little bit low but shooting at 84 pace at 86

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you know I mean in the five star week foot this game at the moment is no really all about

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: pace is it no it doesn't hurt to have any base but he's still pretty fast he's also

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he is you can make him controlled explosive on a finisher or an artist I would

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: probably do a finisher on him but if you put a finisher on this card he's still 84 88 on the base

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: but his shooting will go to 98 finishing 96 attack position and his

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: agility would go to 87 to an a 79 balance so you sort of fix that but his dribbling goes to 94

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: it gets a plus 12 on dribbling right so honestly give this card a finisher in five star week foot

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a pretty versatile card the only thing is you need a Lee Kung team to actually be able to

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: fit them in because Canadians aren't the most easy fitable player but I do think though John

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that one there at that price at 14 000 so the worst case scenario with 13 000 at the moment if you

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: have to quick sail that you'll get 10 000 coins back so you're going to cost you 3000 coins worst

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: case scenario my feeling is though though there will be potentially an evolution there that might

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: fit this card because it's not super super quick is he and he's but he's got that five star week

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: foot which is something for a player like me I'm always looking for not being a skiller I just

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: think that's a really really really good cal that one I have 100 degree I think even buying a couple

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of these cards isn't a bad risk to take right definitely if you have coins I mean I just

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: checked I got 800 coins left so for me it's not an option but hey I'm fully decked for week at

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: league now uh same to say I think week of the league like team of the week decent I don't

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: think there are a top tier players which you are opening back for even if you pack Martin as

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: at school right but it's not like you're packing about pay or something yeah and I think for example

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: the Gabriel Martin Ali is also a pretty cool card but again three star week foot on the

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: low side at this stage of the game even so yeah it's the same with the retin you call

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: her the Norwegian female I mean what is it with norwegian players in three star week foot

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they've all got them odegards got it harland's got it you know that looks a really good card until

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you look at the three star week foot um that's my only concern with that one yeah there are

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: exceptions though because I now use harland and indeed three star week foot but that guy is you

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: can't get him off the ball he's really fast and he's short is just like hammering it in

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: so you can get away with the three star week foot but even then it's still a liability

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: what is cool though about the right hand card is that she's got the insight forward plus plus

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and again that's something we haven't seen too much either so far that is but I think the normal

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: card has it as well I think that is actually a pretty cool way cool card to do but the normal

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: card again 15 000 ah you know what just get the if you want to try her get the non-inform

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish to do a little bit more tuning like gift the informer boost sure but do something else with

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: him that they put lensef the penalty I don't know give him a penalty there isn't any but you know what

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean um van de Venne is a sprinter gave a great match gave him something non defense on the stats

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: extra something like that yeah I mean the pitch work card as well I mean I happen to put on that

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: that game they mean they absolutely hammered the team they're playing Barcelona

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and again she's got the insight forward as well maybe a little bit pricey at 104 000 for a 88 rated

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: striker but again 90s acceleration so you've got the pace here 90 dribbling 89 shooting

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: aggression is in the red there surprisingly so she would if you ask her nicely she'll probably

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: hand you the ball back but that's a decent count as well yeah but again the non-informer

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: stanke so not that like there's almost no difference and she's got the insight forward

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: but the insight forward plus so I think that's definitely a difference with right and that has

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: a plus plus on it these two notes that different so but nevertheless cool cards um

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: curious what we're packing this week to leak talking about week in league you've got something

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you got a beef with me on my takes on week to leak and you said if we do this show I have to talk

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: about it luckily I'm giving you 90 seconds now I'm absurd just go ahead take it away you want to

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: talk this out on there go for it man so we've had a huge discussion on our discord and private

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: as well John and I about math thoughts on weekend league and the changes that's went so it's

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: went from 10 games four wins and 10 games so it's went from a 40% win rate to a 60% win rate

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: three and five so you know my feeling was this is absolutely disgraceful I know John's got a

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: slightly different take on it so we've looked through it we waited the games come out I know

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got enough points to qualify for weekend league but I've not done it yet so I'll give

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: you my thoughts on it John so my first issue was the timing of it so a lot like a lot of

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: guys in our discord but a lot of guys out there I bought the ultimate edition regular weekend league

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: player really enjoy playing weekend league very disappointed to see that the ultimate addition

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: was already bought and then with a few days to go in the game they brought this out which for me

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel is very unfair okay you want to counter argument or of course mate of course let's make

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it a counter argument I know people will just spend my dms again if I say this but uh you could

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: actually just return the game still for that moment even if you pre-order it because just go to the

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: place in store next question you know what I'm not in for this cancel your pre-order no worries also

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think FC is one of the only games where a pre-order gives you like a pretty good advantage

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: time wise any other game just don't pre-order it wait until it comes out see if it's actually

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: broken game because most of the games are these days when they come out then decide to buy it

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and if it's by the online version you can just buy it anytime of the day there's no stock there's no

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: risk and I think it's not the first time this happened I'm not saying I agree with it but

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you could still refund it as well so the timing didn't feel for me that bad I was glad they got

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: some information out but you see they're like um go and they it's like pretty pretty crowded

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: schedule right they announced this get the game out they announced uh how do we have to qualify for

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the pro tournaments once the game was already out for example a couple of days they're making things

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: up as we go still I think it's still experiment winning and I don't necessarily think that's

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: a good that's that's a bad thing but we all know people didn't buy the game to play Wicked

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: League in the pre-order they bought the game to get early access get some free cards get

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the FIFA points loaded up and got the 46 or 4800 I don't even know exactly how much how much it was

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: points to get started that was the main reason that's all we got it's the same as saying yeah but

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: it says also you get an extra evo slot it didn't say you get an extra evo slot you get an extra

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: evolution you got an extra evolution to do included in the game some people are like I

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: knew I wouldn't get couldn't evolve two people at the same time I wanted to buy it they never

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: said that actually that was our interpretation of it and also in all the patch notes before this

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: they said more information about the new modes will be released soon before the game comes out

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and they did that if the timing isn't perfect I agree but I also still think if it's that

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: important you shouldn't be pre-ordering for you because you're not the target base for the

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: pre-order anyways and if it's that much of a kick to the shins you could have still cancelled

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: okay fair enough John vote what you want vote what you want I think it's for me though John is

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: is that when I read the notes and the notes where they wanted to take the stress out of

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: weekend league the people who are who are qualifying and we're not having a good experience

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so that was in the notes I'm right in saying that I did listen the issue is now though they've

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: moved to stress from the weekend league to the qualifiers wanted to make six and ten that would

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: sign a lot more palatable than three and five because as we've got a note here from someone

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: who said that they almost qualified for weekend league they were winning five one in the last

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: game for them to qualify and they got a disconnect so what you're doing is you're actually taking the

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: game the stress from the weekend league where people have got 20 games to play and you'll gain

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: by the time it was 20 wasn't it yeah be a 20 games to play and if you won three or four

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: or six or whatever you know that was your level but actually now they're making it far more

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: stressful the qualifiers disconnects are so much more important because of reduced the number

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: of games you know and I find that a wee bit disingenuous to what they say then that's my problem

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: we're there so I 100% agree with you on the disconnects and I think the system we have in

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: place about disconnects isn't the most honest best solution fairer solution right so agree there it

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: happens but that will be sucked it sucked as well if you get your 20 now disconnect for example

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's always been a problem and I feel sorry for the person sending in that message

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's not the first time something like that happened I also lost the draw final

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: we had this connects playing finals in the edivisi live even on television right so it sucks

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and I feel sorry for it but I don't think that's necessarily the most that makes sense

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about the stress for the week like that's not what they said Chris

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: what's actually in the note is that they want to make champs the most competitive mode

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: there's been as that war intended to be so they want to make sure the best players get in

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: champs and face each other a 20 you know or was a really common last year because every

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I've not everyone but most people got in and it wasn't a fair playing field which made for

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: some people the whole experiences are bad experiences because you just got hammered

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: this year they say okay we put in 15 matches 15 matches in weekly making sure that every match

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: counts we give every single win a different tier of rewards as well so we get 15 like 15 ranks

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: 15 wins every match is a final and it's high competitive the chance of pro actually plays

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: a pro is way larger than ever before which means a pro getting 15 this year is actually

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: pretty cool achievement which last year if they got anything below 20 no you know what's going on here

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that was the intent and that also means you got to raise the gate to actually get in gems

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know if I agree on that decision but if the intent is to make gems a higher

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: competitive mode then you gotta gate keep it to make sure the most competitive players come in

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but you have that mode already John you have that mode in division three

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: because if you don't get to division three you don't get to take part in any of the pro tournaments

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you already have a pro tournament mode so actually what you're doing is you're excluding

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the vast majority of players now a lot of people might get through there but there'll be a lot of

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: people who do qualify for weekend league won't get in simply because they want to make it

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: harder for the harder league for the pros well actually you've already got that in place

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: no so I don't necessarily agree there either I think div three is what they said now for qualification

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because the tournament starts the actual pro scene starts this week so you don't have much time to

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: get up in the ladder which means you should put it any higher than division three we're pretty

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: unhealthy for the players to actually get higher than that we'll see that going back to elite

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: next season like not next year but next FIFA season 100% you got to get elite to make sure

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: you get into the pro competition but you still have that you'll still have that mode where the

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: pros can play against each other yeah so take someone like myself who qualify for most weekend

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: leagues last year a very rarely come up against a pro player you're lucky if I met somebody once

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: in a blue man yeah I'm probably a little bit worse on matchmaking in my little your elo is

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be a lot higher than mine but where my elo was it was very rarely going to be a pro

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that you're going to meet at my level so it wasn't like the pros loads of pros were playing against

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: easy players like myself wow I don't necessarily want us going through if you're an easy player

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: or no but I mean an average player let's call it an average player John then but I do think that

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: there's plenty of times last year where we've been training pros for example we play weekly

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's where the rewards are and they I rather have a pro play on a high level scene

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_00]: get good rewards and spend the money on the coaching scene than actually spend on points right so I think

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that's not a healthy mode to be in I think this makes the weekends much more interesting for streamers

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to watch if you're in it actually gets rewarded I said last week I felt really good qualify yes

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: it was far easier than I expected right I went 3-0 when I was like okay let's give the last

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: away even gave him away Chris even went to the dark side good for you John I like that

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and we talked yesterday about it on the big show where most people said okay qualification actually

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't that hard at this stage because most pros and stuff probably qualified last week already

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: so that actually had that extra extended period to qualify haven't you yeah and you got multiple

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: chances to do and it isn't that much work to actually get your points together this year

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: to be able to qualify that come I mean I still get it it's pressure but I do think that pressure is

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: actually a sort of a safeguard to not ruin your weekend because if you can't really deal with those

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: five qualification matches you're not going to enjoy those 15 matches in a week there's just no way

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: anymore and I qualified I don't honestly know if I have time this weekend that's the second

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: thing but I'm looking forward to the experiences and that could very much be that most of people

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: are just that qualified are just five wins as the average for example could very much be the case

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but that also means if someone gets 15 and oh and I'm talking about current generation consoles

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know who's listening to this show not play on all gens say I went 15 no I don't think

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a fair comparison either but you go on the new gen consoles current gen consoles

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and you go 15 now there for example I think that could be a huge achievement which not many

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: people actually make this year I'm looking forward to seeing that as well so I get both side of the

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: metal I do think we have to wait how it actually experiences but so far I think most people and

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: we've ruined polls this week on Instagram or TikTok most people said actually was looking

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: very much not not looking forward to qualification or to facing the pressure but in

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: all honestly most people said I qualified and it was actually far less stressful than I imagined so

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm hoping the weekend will be better but I think this could be a very sweaty extremely

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: sweaty heart we can't for most players that get in and I'm not sure we want to do that every week

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think the extended period has made qualifying easier John because I think people

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: probably you know if you're in a higher division it took you a while to get those

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: rival points you know to get those you know the points a thousand points or to get if you're a

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: a pro player you're going to get them pretty quickly so I think those guys have qualified and

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think what happened you'll find is next week when it's condensed you know you get your points

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and you can qualify that will that'll be the true test of where it is because I think you've

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: already the players who are probably through already are probably the better players but

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the biggest issue for me John and this is the thing that worries me about it and

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: as people who are on a show about the game who are in a community about the game is the longevity

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: you know because again the person who wrote is the reason that they build their squad was because

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: they built their squad to play weekend league that's what they liked enjoying doing and that's

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: my concern as well the thought was that rival rewards would be better well I've looked at it

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they are no I don't know John I'm going to take the division four rewards are so much better than

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: ever before so if you're a division four player and you don't qualify for weekend league okay

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: let's hear me right so you don't qualify for weekend league you will get 500 champ points 30,000

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: coins which is decent a mega pack 25 sorry 40 75 player pack there's two packs there

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and 82 team of the week player and 84 rare player as well and one rare gold card right and FC

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: 24 when you qualify and got nine wins because it was easier to get there in the division four player

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you got two prime gold packs two mega packs a small prime gold pack two rare gold packs

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: 1250 points which got you straight into qualify 11,500 xp points so you don't even get to

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: boost the season 25,000 coins so it's 5,000 less but a rare player pack one ultimate pack

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: which is tradable 185 rare player and 284 picks my concern John is if you don't qualify for weekend

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: league how do you build your team and if it's okay now but when something like the yusebio icon

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: sbc comes out the weekend league was what I used to build that player to strengthen my team

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: so if you don't have that how am I meant to do that sbc and if I don't have the ability to strengthen

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: my team why should I stay in the game looking at the midfields that came out this week on sbc

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: level and unlockable milestone players unlockable players like even by just playing some

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: square piles you could get pretty good players even the fact that staven backhouse is so cheap

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that i'm always I had to recommend them on the show says enough about the player strengths

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: on these sbc for like 20k if you get 40 75 plus players you can do both sbcs from those but what

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: i'm saying john is i'm talking about the chance to own one of those prime players so when you

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: actually get to november no but I think this we're what we're one weekend if you save up those

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: pack or you just pack us well these are tradable players as well right some are packed like

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the packs too some are of course but there are plenty like there's plenty of options

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to get there for example I mean I was lucky I got the grease one tradable and I got

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: the frankie deung tradable last week for my rival rewards which like okay that's a good day

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that helps you only need to be lucky once there and I do think they talked about it on

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yesterday so as well squat bells pretty good rewards just 12 matches or 14 matches in total

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: now right go for play squat bells there's plenty of ways I think the sbc six especially looking

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: at the objective players you can get an outamendi which is really good player at this stage of the

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: game for playing the hour of FIFA right and then you don't even you can do it in rush I can't do

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: this one in rush but you can do most objectives even a rush for example I think there's more

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: ways than ever to be able to do everything and I this is think also a topic for Friday show

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the big issue is last year everyone if they've had time they could do everything in this game

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and grind out this game like finalize right get level 30 in three weeks I think that's an option

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: anymore there's so much to do that you have to decide which path you're going to take

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing I just think it's like I this week I'm playing

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: rush I'm playing squat pedals and playing rivals is if jams comes out this weekend

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a big chance I'm not playing squat bells from next week on because Jeff I have make a decision

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you're okay with that I think there's like if we see the development of the teams

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen some insane things but yeah even if you look like there's plenty of cards also in

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the current team like the current promos that are inexpensive like 10k we just talked about a

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: team in the week where david is 11k there's plenty of teams or players to get to get

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: you up a next level and once you get to the next level and you start facing all the players

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and you start growing I think this is actually a perfect game to focus on your gameplay

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: while growing your team exponentially with it and if you're a very good player yeah the chances are

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you outperform everyone on the team but you're not facing I think that's something

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: in two how you won't face those players anyone but John that point is those when the usabial

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: sbc comes out or whatever icon sbc comes out and you go and look at your club and you've got 84

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan david in your club or an 85 rated and they're looking for a 90 rated squad or whatever an

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: 88 rated squad because he's a 92 rated card how are people meant to do that and then that

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: brings me back to the final point is for me the reason I think they've done this and we

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: oh I think everyone who's been on the show went they're going to change it anyway let's be

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: honest because casuals are no going to enjoy this part of the game and if people don't want to

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: qualify for weekend league and the engagement goes down they'll change it which makes you think why

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: change in the first instance if you cannot get these players because you're playing weekend

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: league and from my point of view I don't think the words are that better is you reach for the

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: points gun and you start putting points on to try and get players and that is a thing for

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: me is always in the back of my mind when he do something like this they're doing it so that

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: people buy points I mean there's no way for me or to agree or disagree on that I get that

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the tendency to say and I it's hard for me to know EA and it's saying that I disagree with

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that but I'm also when I'm not looking at the fact I think if you're a 5 player in 3-4 weeks

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's plenty of and you'd be smart with managing your team you got a pretty good team

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe you won't get to Sabio but you probably won't be facing Sabio either

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and the best way to get those cards is to try to be better at the game and me for

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty happy that this year the focus is more on getting the most out of your gameplay instead

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of getting the most out of the menus probably that John as we say it's not about the rewards

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but the guys yesterday had a long conversation about the fact is that Rush could die of death

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_00]: because the rewards aren't good enough so also because people just play to get those SP points

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and honestly your squad barrels don't get the rewards people won't play that year

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's that's the problem so what we're saying is in one hand is we don't play for rewards but

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: we're actually saying is a mode of game which people really quite like actually when people

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: play it properly the rush game and don't try to be greedy or rubber bandit or try and get blue

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: cards the reason that people won't pay that play that anymore is because the rewards aren't

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: good enough so people do play for rewards and as I say I just worry the longevity of the casual

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: player or the player who's average and is struggling for weekend league will there be the the the

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: desire to keep grinding the game like there was before there's just one way to find that out

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and that is to keep mentioning it and keep monitoring it in the next weeks I guess and

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: also if you have feedback on this or you got a decent opinion about it keep it pinky to like keep

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: a firmly friendly opinion because I've seen some of them which I can't share guys and I'm fine with

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the messages and I'll just block you anyways but um I'm gone you can't send me messages

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: like some of I've seen and expect me to read them up on the show but if you have a proper

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: opinion then you could put it in we'll definitely read it out on the show and I'm just going

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to back you up on this and it's to say that I know for a fact that John does not get

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: any rewards from EA his team may look like he's on the gold list but trust me we don't get anything

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: from EA on this show um so if you mess it up I work hard for my 500,000 exactly if some of your

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: emails up and says John you're doing it because you work for EA it's absolute false then I

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't say wouldn't be sitting here with a finer shot and complaining eight years about

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: getting the kaipan in case we have that a long time ago as well thank you all for listening Chris

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: thank you for this discussion good to see you were still friends no 100% man

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: this for the review short wasn't short so I'll have to see how much content we get on the

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Thursday if I forget even make Thursday show but we will be back Friday at least with episode

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: two to seven I think and I'll at least be joined by Envy maybe join Chris knows could be could be

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris definitely if we're still friends of course of course of course of course send us your comments

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[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: we can't really call them short we'll just call them episode two to seven maybe Chris see in this

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Friday mate one thing left for us to do drop it drop it